Phobia Outpost - Last Update 5/3/12
An insecure outpost being seized for control by the Fearless Bandits.
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Phobia Outpost - Last Update 5/3/12
An insecure outpost being seized for control by the Fearless Bandits.
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Re: Phobia Outpost [WIP]
Yeah... Rebar ain't the most realistic thing in this tech setting, but metal bars in stone is a simple enough concept that, while we didn't see on Earth until pretty late, it's certainly believable that someone coulda invented it earlier elsewhere. Well, that, and we already have it in several maps.
That mattress though... Looks distinctly like a nylon and spring mattress... But I'm just nit-picking... The brushwork and lighting looks beautiful, and the concept sounds interesting. I think your Khaz and Bandits should be hostile to each other by default, so that'll make it easier. I should probably stick in a global flag to make them "spin up" to full think speed for NPCs for the map, or you might see some odd delay behavior. By default, with the exception of hguard faction and player pets/summons, NPC's don't spin up to full think for NPC encounters, unless there's a player nearby - saves some resources on the older, poorly optimized maps, where NPCs often come across other hostile NPCs, and there's no one around to see it.
Yeah... Rebar ain't the most realistic thing in this tech setting, but metal bars in stone is a simple enough concept that, while we didn't see on Earth until pretty late, it's certainly believable that someone coulda invented it earlier elsewhere. Well, that, and we already have it in several maps.
That mattress though... Looks distinctly like a nylon and spring mattress... But I'm just nit-picking... The brushwork and lighting looks beautiful, and the concept sounds interesting. I think your Khaz and Bandits should be hostile to each other by default, so that'll make it easier. I should probably stick in a global flag to make them "spin up" to full think speed for NPCs for the map, or you might see some odd delay behavior. By default, with the exception of hguard faction and player pets/summons, NPC's don't spin up to full think for NPC encounters, unless there's a player nearby - saves some resources on the older, poorly optimized maps, where NPCs often come across other hostile NPCs, and there's no one around to see it.
Re: Phobia Outpost [WIP]
Make your lights brighter!!!
This might be meant to be dark, but the lights look as if they're just glowing in the dark, hardly casting any light.
From what I can see though this(like Cat's) is an enormous improvement over your previous map. I also like the concept!
Make your lights brighter!!!
This might be meant to be dark, but the lights look as if they're just glowing in the dark, hardly casting any light.
From what I can see though this(like Cat's) is an enormous improvement over your previous map. I also like the concept!
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Re: Phobia Outpost [WIP]
Thanks
Ah, I'll have to find a different model to use for the mattress then. Thanks for the complimenting words.
I'll make them slightly brighter, FYI your glow is blocked on spawn untill you escape the prison section, and then it will not be blocked anymore when you spawn. And thank you, I hope to make this a lot better than phlames.
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Thanks
Thothie said:
Ah, I'll have to find a different model to use for the mattress then. Thanks for the complimenting words.
jon50559 said:
I'll make them slightly brighter, FYI your glow is blocked on spawn untill you escape the prison section, and then it will not be blocked anymore when you spawn. And thank you, I hope to make this a lot better than phlames.
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Re: Phobia Outpost [WIP]
Make a brush entity trigger_multiple, and place it where the player can walk through it without avoiding it.
And then to block the glow spell - triggers/glow_block
To unblock the glow spell - triggers/glow_unblock
Then you could remove the brush with a trigger_relay.
jon50559 said:
Make a brush entity trigger_multiple, and place it where the player can walk through it without avoiding it.
And then to block the glow spell - triggers/glow_block
To unblock the glow spell - triggers/glow_unblock
Then you could remove the brush with a trigger_relay.
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I am a big fan of never having to use glow on a map though. (Must... light... everything...)
That might be his rig, and not the map. There's something about ICM color profiles that cause some screen shots from some systems to come up utterly black for me... These do that. It can't possibly look as dark on his screen (just like, pure black, with dots of orange). Dridje's screen shots always do this to me as well. I just up the gamma on the image - not figured exactly what the issue is yet.jon50559 said:
I am a big fan of never having to use glow on a map though. (Must... light... everything...)
jon50559 said:
http://www.thothie.com/ms/!msc_betapack_changelog.txt said:
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Re: Phobia Outpost [WIP]
Two things:
1. I'm trying to create a waterfall / dripping water brush, however, in game it appears to be invisible.
This is what it looks like in Hammer. Any ideas?
2. What is the difference between using an ambient_generic and an env_message when triggering sounds?
And what exactly does the 'Play Everywhere' flag do?
I've read somewhere that when you set it to Play Everywhere, it doesn't matter about the distance but doesn't play equally as loud through everybody's speakers, or something
Two things:
1. I'm trying to create a waterfall / dripping water brush, however, in game it appears to be invisible.
This is what it looks like in Hammer. Any ideas?
2. What is the difference between using an ambient_generic and an env_message when triggering sounds?
And what exactly does the 'Play Everywhere' flag do?
I've read somewhere that when you set it to Play Everywhere, it doesn't matter about the distance but doesn't play equally as loud through everybody's speakers, or something
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Re: Phobia Outpost [WIP]
Turn off the Smart Edit, check for a zhlt_invisible 1 property - delete if present. If this is the issue, be careful when copying normally non-visible brushes (such as monsterclips) and redefining them. (Looks closer, /feelslikeidiot), and seeing as how you already have done that, keep in mind that you don't need renderamt 255 on a rendermode 0 ent (maybe you meant rendermode 2 or 5?), and that func_conveyors must be painted with scroll textures. Lastly, and probably the most likely issue in this case: !liquid textures will often not render on vertical faces.Caluminium said:
ambient_generic is for sounds that continuously loop - mind you, that they need to fire when the client is in hearing distance to do so. env_message is for one shot sounds. Play Everywhere plays on the "weather" channel to all clients at equal volume, regardless of their distance from the entity. (ie. plays globally)Caluminium said:
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Re: Phobia Outpost [WIP]
More screenies,
Lighting changes
The prison cell with pouring water
Another angle of the hallway
More prison cells
Inside the staircase tower
More screenies,
Lighting changes
The prison cell with pouring water
Another angle of the hallway
More prison cells
Inside the staircase tower
Re: Phobia Outpost [WIP]
I'm begging you, at least double the brightness!
(When I've checked the thread on my phone the pics were just as dark)
I'm begging you, at least double the brightness!
(When I've checked the thread on my phone the pics were just as dark)
Re: Phobia Outpost [WIP]
It looks fine to me...
If you make it brighter, don't turn it into a cleicert type of map, LOL. :roll:
jon50559 said:
It looks fine to me...
If you make it brighter, don't turn it into a cleicert type of map, LOL. :roll:
Re: Phobia Outpost [WIP]
You might want to check out your monitor then... That map isn't dark at all for me...
You might want to check out your monitor then... That map isn't dark at all for me...
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Re: Phobia Outpost [WIP]
The pictures shows up as dark for me aswell. anyways looks allot better in game. happends with all games for me. screen shots turns out allot darker than the actuall ingame settnings. Anyone got a good fix for this?
The pictures shows up as dark for me aswell. anyways looks allot better in game. happends with all games for me. screen shots turns out allot darker than the actuall ingame settnings. Anyone got a good fix for this?
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Re: Phobia Outpost [WIP]
..Which looks alot better
Anyways,
New brightness
Gullotine
jon50559 said:
..Which looks alot better
Anyways,
New brightness
Gullotine
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Re: Phobia Outpost [WIP]
Still looks like orange pin-pricks on black to me. (Except "Gullotine", which comes up pure black)
Again, I don't think the actual map lighting is like this - it's something to do with monitor color profiles, me thinks.
Still looks like orange pin-pricks on black to me. (Except "Gullotine", which comes up pure black)
Again, I don't think the actual map lighting is like this - it's something to do with monitor color profiles, me thinks.
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Here's those two shots at gamma 1.5:
and the last at 2.0
Someday, I'll figure exactly what causes this gamma inconsistency, and shoot at it with red and blue lasers.
Also: Cleicert looks fairly close to the original to me. We didn't have the old compile params, and there was no info_texlights, so I had to "eye" it based on a screenshot though. Wonder if that is related.
Here's those two shots at gamma 1.5:
and the last at 2.0
Someday, I'll figure exactly what causes this gamma inconsistency, and shoot at it with red and blue lasers.
Also: Cleicert looks fairly close to the original to me. We didn't have the old compile params, and there was no info_texlights, so I had to "eye" it based on a screenshot though. Wonder if that is related.
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Yeah I could tell Cleicert was re-compiled, its wayyy darker than it used to be, someone was with me who could second this.
Semi-dark maps are pissing me off so much, make it f*cking bright enough to see without glow, or make the area dark on purpose. Pick one ffs, might as well add a fog that's the radius of the glow spell in some maps. [/rant]
Yeah I could tell Cleicert was re-compiled, its wayyy darker than it used to be, someone was with me who could second this.
Semi-dark maps are pissing me off so much, make it f*cking bright enough to see without glow, or make the area dark on purpose. Pick one ffs, might as well add a fog that's the radius of the glow spell in some maps. [/rant]
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Re: Phobia Outpost [WIP]
If you cannot see with THAT brightness you must be becoming blind sir.
Anyways, everyone else thinks it's fine, and it's probably a lot easier to see in-game.
If you cannot see with THAT brightness you must be becoming blind sir.
Anyways, everyone else thinks it's fine, and it's probably a lot easier to see in-game.
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Post 10 in a few years.
Ignore this paragraph if you don't want to read something that doesn't relate to the map as it is more of a personal rant.
I agree with lockdown. Nothing is more annoying than digging through my spell book after each death to reapply glow and nearly on every map too. If I had it as a tome it might not be such a big deal. But it's a hassle playing 90% of the maps and needing glow.
Another neat solution would be to make glow persist after death.
Our arguments might not be the exact same, and mine probably isn't even in the right topic, but since it came up here, I replied to it here.
More maps that don't need glow is what we really need. I don't get the trend for 'too-dark' maps.
TL;DR
If it plays on my screen at your original brightness, I just couldn't ever play it. Thothie's brightness could manage though.
Post 10 in a few years.
Ignore this paragraph if you don't want to read something that doesn't relate to the map as it is more of a personal rant.
I agree with lockdown. Nothing is more annoying than digging through my spell book after each death to reapply glow and nearly on every map too. If I had it as a tome it might not be such a big deal. But it's a hassle playing 90% of the maps and needing glow.
Another neat solution would be to make glow persist after death.
Our arguments might not be the exact same, and mine probably isn't even in the right topic, but since it came up here, I replied to it here.
More maps that don't need glow is what we really need. I don't get the trend for 'too-dark' maps.
TL;DR
If it plays on my screen at your original brightness, I just couldn't ever play it. Thothie's brightness could manage though.
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Re: Phobia Outpost [WIP]
I prefer not to have to use the glow, for aesthetic reasons, if nothing else. It's also rough on those with weaker graphics cards, in addition to the super-nova level brightness we've added to it over the years (especially when combined with bloom). I can see about lightening Cleicert some more, since it's in the betapack anyways - but are you really finding you need glow on that? Outside, mayhaps, of the shark chamber?
But again, I think these screenshots are darker than the actual in-game images, due to some ICM profile crap or something.
BTW - I do hope those lights with the V-pattern have all the extra little spaces in them filled with CLIP brushes, or you're going to hit your clipnode limit right fast.
I prefer not to have to use the glow, for aesthetic reasons, if nothing else. It's also rough on those with weaker graphics cards, in addition to the super-nova level brightness we've added to it over the years (especially when combined with bloom). I can see about lightening Cleicert some more, since it's in the betapack anyways - but are you really finding you need glow on that? Outside, mayhaps, of the shark chamber?
But again, I think these screenshots are darker than the actual in-game images, due to some ICM profile crap or something.
BTW - I do hope those lights with the V-pattern have all the extra little spaces in them filled with CLIP brushes, or you're going to hit your clipnode limit right fast.
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Re: Phobia Outpost [WIP]
Done
Thoughts on these screenshots (I made the lights roughly 2.5x brighter)
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Thothie said:BTW - I do hope those lights with the V-pattern have all the extra little spaces in them filled with CLIP brushes, or you're going to hit your clipnode limit right fast.
Done
Thoughts on these screenshots (I made the lights roughly 2.5x brighter)
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