Overpowered?

[!=-PhoeniX-=!]

Ok so it was me Jabba and Cornholio at the_keep when we got to the boss nova blader spawned. I started dsing it doing 200-250 Jabba was DCing it and cornholio was taking out archers. After awhile it was still green bar barely goes down. So i use my hoarfrost it goes down a bit faster and then when he gets to red he pots.... We get him to red 2 times and he pots everytime and then Jabba quit after that. He also killed me in 1 hit when i have like 500 hp left. I think thats a pretty overpowered boss he shouldve died a long time ago.

 

[Shurik3n]

I started dsing it doing 200-250

Well theres your problem.

 

[villager]

Idk, I don't have a problem with him, you just need more than... one person to help you. :|

 

[!=-PhoeniX-=!]

His hp shouldve went down cuz my hoarfrost circle does 15 and charge about 80 normal hit is 50 and he went down even faster

 

[Slaytanic_pb]

I believe you don't know that there are certain weapons you shouldn't use against the bosses on that map and I'll leave it at that...

 

[Jelly]

It's a shame you know. You got him to use all his potions. You practically left him to die without taking the loot.

 

[J-M v2.5.5]

Demonicus is probably the toughest bandit boss; from what I can tell, he has the most HP, he definitely parries more often (because of his sword), and his fire attacks can be devastating.
However, he is very much possible. Besides, here's a very useful tip: as soon as a bandit boss grabs a potion, do 100 or more damage to him or stun him; he'll drop the potion.

Edit: Zedrix, nice job screwing up the BoU avatar

 

[The Man In Black]

Bet J-M was ready for a freak out when he came in here.

"OVERPOWERED OMFG SCRU U KEEP IT ING-- Oh..."

 

[J-M v2.5.5]

Well, I do find it sad that mappers constantly choose to place bosses that are ten times stronger than you in closed square rooms, rarely with an exit, making you wonder how these bosses got there in the first place, but now that I can beat Demonicus without having to do too much effort, I don't really need to rant about him.

So there, that's my freak out.

 

[The Man In Black]

Well, I do find it sad that mappers constantly choose to place bosses that are ten times stronger than you in closed square rooms, rarely with an exit, making you wonder how these bosses got there in the first place, but now that I can beat Demonicus without having to do too much effort, I don't really need to rant about him.

So there, that's my freak out.

The joke is that you would be freaking out over someone saying something like "The Orion Bow is overpowered."

 

[J-M v2.5.5]

The joke is that half of the forum board freaked out at it being overpowered, while I was having a good time with it :roll:

 

[Thothie]

Personally, I'd rather face Demonicus than bow-boi. He pwns me - Demonicus, I can at least run from.

And yeah, it is ashame - he probably ran out of health pots at that point (or had at most, one left) - but as Shurik3n said:

I started dsing it doing 200-250

Well theres your problem.

Ye are not worthy. Kinda surprised you didn't get the "overpowered" warning message - seems one of you probably were under 600-700hp. You go up against bosses you aren't worthy to take out and, yeah, they will definitely seem overpowered. Demonicus was designed to take four people with 600+hp a piece.

 

[!=-PhoeniX-=!]

Heh well really the orion is easier and i do have over 600 by like 13 lol and he had 1 pot left

 

[J-M v2.5.5]

On second thought, since I am Thothie's main resource for info on game balancing, I must add that Demonicus is severely overpowered.

First of all, he attacks you. Please make him stop that. I want him to stand stationary so I can beat him up.
Secondly, he drinks potions. No other boss in the game does that, and I don't think the Demonicus should do that either.

Please fix this horribly overpowered boss. I've been using my training shield and rusty knife for ages now trying to beat him, but he keeps ramming through my platemail armor. This is impossible.

 

[Mikkel]

Any item inspiring that much passion, short of an apostle weapon, is clearly too desireable,

Plus J-M does tend to make a good guage as to when something's gotten out of hand.

1) I did admit that the Orion bow was overpowered, but I'm not going to lie and say that the dark sword is overpowered.
2) OMG DON'T NERF THE SNAKE STAFF! THE SNAKE STAFF IS ****ING AWESOME! IT CAN SPAWN SNAKES WITH ROUGHLY TWO HP THAT DO NEAR-ZERO DAMAGE! THESE AWESOME SNAKES ALSO STAY IN-GAME FOR ABOUT TWENTY SECONDS! THE DAMAGE THE SNAKE STAFF DOES IS INSANE! IF I HAD ONE OF THOSE, I'D USE IT AGAINST RUNEGAHR ALL THE TIME AND SOLO HIM TWENTY TIMES PER MINUTE! I REALLY WANT ONE. BRB, TRADING POST TOPIC. I HOPE YOU DON'T NERF THIS.
3) The training hammer is amazingly overpowered. Please nerf it.
4) The hawk (that monstrous beast that flies over Edana) does way too much damage. He hit me for 500 through golden armor yesterday. Please fix. I find it quite irresponsible and sadistic that you put such a monster in the #1 newbie map.

and the thought that six players with DS is the way to go against the meanest boss in the game suggests it is being seen as the ultimate weapon.

1) Please excuse me for using a weapon that's in-game. I am terribly sorry.
2) No wait I'm not. Scratch that.
3) Use any form of magic against Runegahr? No. The server might crash and the tornado (OMG IT IS OVERPOWERED, NERF IT) will go invisible.
4) Use demon claws against Runegahr? Huh...? These things can still hit?
5) Use lightning weapons against Runegahr? Only assholes do that, because Runegahr is immune to lightning.
OMG SPOILER etc.
6) Use bow-like weapons against Runegahr? I would, if he had an actual hitbox.
7) Use a rusty short sword against Runegahr? Oh please.
8) I'm having difficulties finding a weapon that works against this (HOLY **** AMAZINGLY OVERPOWERED) boss. Maybe that's because all the weapons are being based on a level 40 cap now, or something very stupid along these lines?

Especially so, when server hosts are willing to screw their clients just to get the sixth charge.

Yes, the changes in FEB2008b were very dramatic, like, totally world-opening. Every server hoster should say "**** you, pig" to all dark sword wielders and update to FEB2008b.

Edit: My server is actually still running FEB2008b. I just downgraded my client to FEB2008a because I like my weapons tasty and useful. I know that I'm missing a whole world of possibilities (IMAGINE THE POSSIBILITITES!!!1! SOMEONE NERF THEM) right now, but I can't have good weapons and a new patch, can I now?

Originally it was just I was sick of hearing complaints about it being bugged, and I wanted to setup some more predictable behavior for it, but now that I see all this clamor, I suppose more drastic measures were in order.

Question: did you nerf it on purpose (break the final charge), hoping someone (me) would complain, finally giving you a reason to scrap the weapon?

I would really hate it if you nerfed the last truly useful weapon this game has.

That is not helping your case, as I translate that as "This is the ultimate weapon in this game" - and well, it ain't supposed to be.

You don't seem to have a ****ing clue how this game plays out (example below) and that's why you say stupid crap like this. Runegahr is hard enough with six level 40+ players (all with swordsmanship 30+) dark swording him.
I vaguely remember you recently saying that people "shouldn't be able to reach level 40 anyway". Well guess what, there's multiple people above level 40. If you really believe in this level cap, then why is Outer Lodagond designed for level 40 to level 50 players?

How about you nerf all the bosses, too, while you're at it, to rebalance this game again.

Example why you don't have a ****ing clue how this game plays out: I remember me being in-game with you and some others in b_castle a few weeks ago. We made it to the (square, locked, gosh, that is unique) room before the boss chamber (also square, locked, such a cliché) and while we were fighting the various animated armors in there (that force you to loose control over your character every twenty seconds) you said something along these lines:
"Hmm, I had no idea it'd play out like this..."

You don't have a clue how hard this game can be, even with the dark sword which is "overpowered".

Edit: And basically what HumanSteak said. I can start charging my dark sword, take a ****, wash my hands, make a sandwich, eat the sandwich, come back, and it'll finally be fully charged. In the meantime, I could've done craploads of damage with other weapons.
Naturally I'm not going to say which weapons, because before I can say "stop" you will decide to nerf them again.

Doubtful.

Thothie. Don't nerf the dark sword.

You seem to enjoy nerfing good/useful items, and almost every item that was once good/useful, is now destroyed.
Here is a list of examples:

Greater Ice Blade: Now requires 10 mana to do the charge (ice encase) attack, in the past it never required any mana at all.

Torkalath Blade: You (or at least someone, definitely) raised the hit roll, so it misses more often.

Demon Claws: These can now miss and drain your mana. This is quite unacceptable, because it's already hard enough to land hits with:

• Sh*t hitboxes
• Lag, something not uncommon in this game

Bone Blade: I once soloed an ice reaver with a bone blade, when the weapon was first released. I didn't use any shield at all, nor magic, nor did I retreat. It was just the reaver versus me and my bone blade, toe-to-toe. That's how good it was, before you decided to lower the HP it gives you.

Golden Axe: For some odd reason, you have to let it break, so people have to do the most tedious thing ever (get a near-unfindable item and acquire 110 000 gold).

Lightning Rod: The third charge used to auto-target, but that luxury has been taken from us.

Lightning Storm: Used to do loads of damage, but now it's hard to hit. I don't know why, but I'll just keep it to "you screwed it up".

Blizzard: Pretty much the same story as with the lightning storm, but the blizzard damage is even crappier compared to what it once was.

Armor of the Phoenix: First you nerf the amount of HP this armor gives you when you're being attacked by fire monsters, then you nerf it fully and change it so that it gives you mana, and, from what I can tell, the phoenix armor now gives less mana than ever. Explain me why I get 0 MP (75% of the time) and 1 MP (25% of the time) if I'm on fire, caused by an animated armor of fire? That's rediculously low. If I wasn't wearing phoenix armor, I'd get twenty or so fire damage every time.

And I didn't even mention the countless spawn chances (location-wise and spawn-percentage-wise) and XP values you nerfed.



You'll probably find excuses for all of those, but basically this is what it's all about:
Do not nerf the dark sword.
I would really hate it if you nerfed the last truly useful weapon this game has.

On second thought, since I am Thothie's main resource for info on game balancing, I must add that Demonicus is severely overpowered.

First of all, he attacks you. Please make him stop that. I want him to stand stationary so I can beat him up.
Secondly, he drinks potions. No other boss in the game does that, and I don't think the Demonicus should do that either.

Please fix this horribly overpowered boss. I've been using my training shield and rusty knife for ages now trying to beat him, but he keeps ramming through my platemail armor. This is impossible.

From this I can conclude that J-M v2.5.5 dislike the nerfing of Dark Sword. I think we ALL get it know!?

 

[J-M v2.5.5]

Mikkel, I fully understand that you want to have it nerfed.

No wait, I do not.

 

[Mikkel]

Mikkel, I fully understand that you want to have it nerfed.

No wait, I do not.

I never said that lol, I'm just saying:

WE GET YOUR POINT NOW

 

[J-M v2.5.5]

Yeah, everybody and their mother does, except for Thothie :roll:

 

[The Man In Black]

Or maybe Thothie just doesn't care about the spoiled kid who wants to have all the dev chest spawn on edana >_>

 

[J-M v2.5.5]

I can tell you're in the wrong thread, MIB. You obviously haven't read the reactions of the five other people who agree with me. People who you probably do respect. I'm talking about FER, Thraxis, HumanSteak, Orochi and Sabre. Perhaps you should try listening to them. And I mean listen listen. Not just listen only if you agree (in this case you disagree, i.e.: "omg omg I'm a dick nerf the ds /does_not_listen"), but listen listen.

Edit: Don't get me wrong, MIB, I did indeed expect a total garbage reply from you.

 

[FER]

Theres a difference between spawning dev chests in Edana and wasting media limit on a weapon that get turned in crap

 

[The Man In Black]

I can tell you're in the wrong thread, MIB. You obviously haven't read the reactions of the five other people who agree with me. People who you probably do respect. I'm talking about FER, Thraxis, HumanSteak, Orochi and Sabre. Perhaps you should try listening to them. And I mean listen listen. Not just listen when you agree, but listen listen.

I've read all arguments, agreeing on some points and not others. Perhaps you should not be hypocritical and listen to Thothie?

Here's a nice scenario for you (though Orochi already made a bit of an attempt to solve it):
You get your wish. Every boss gives 31337exp per player per hit. Everyone gets level 100 in everything.

...What happens now? Anyone can take Atholo in a swing (exaggeration - Atholo takes 2 GAxe swings at 255 XD) and they have all the weapons. So, I ask again, what happens now? More maps? They won't be challenging. The only way of making a map "harder" that we have right now is to add pits of death + cheap bosses, and we all know how much you hate that. More weapons? So we can kill Atholo in ONE swing? No.

Considering how much you argue about GAMEPLAY (vs graphics, though those don't apply ;-)) it seems odd that you want the game to become watered down to the level of grinding for less than what we grind for now. Instead, we'll be grinding for NOTHING AT ALL and yelling at Thothie/mappers to create a TRULY challenging map, which they have no ability for.

 

[J-M v2.5.5]

It seems odd that Thothie, of all people, wants this game to become "watered down", by systematically nerfing all and everything, so that people will all reach the same level, which should be 40, but omg omg omg there are some 40+ who play the game, so ring the nerf alarm.

Thothie is trying hard to make sure nobody will ever advance, ever again.

Also, your cheap "LOL u r J-M u want pew-pew-laser eyes & 31337 skills" nonsense doesn't work, because that's not how I want this game.

Finally, I am not going to listen to Thothie, and I am not going to suck his dick. Yes?

 

[The Man In Black]

Ah, because I'm on Thothie's side, I must be sucking up to him, right? Does that mean that all the people on your side are down on their knees for you? Poor bastards...

Anywho, perhaps you've missed the point, so I'll explain again. If Thothie continues to release overpowered weapons (and leave them as such) and continues to fix exp so we all become level 255, the game has nowhere to go; the game becomes boring; the game dies. No one wants to play a game where they are the uberest of the uber and have all of the uberest of the uber weapons. No new maps can be made, because all items just change 2 hitting Atholo to 1 hitting him, and because the only way to make a map "harder" for gods is to make the floor nonexistant, the monster a meat bag, and the attacks all (throw/stun/drunk/blind)ing attacks.

 

[Shurik3n]

Thothie is trying hard to make sure nobody will ever advance, ever again.

Thats not true, where do you get this? He IS trying to prevent people from exceeding the content we have now. Which entails keeping people from leveling too high too quickly and becoming too powerful for the current environment. Eventually there will be higher level stuff, but the content we have doesn't support it. Maybe if you made some stuff (i.e. high level training maps) to create more content the level ramp would slowly be lifted (not promising anything :| ) as we advance to higher end content.