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INFO [REQ/Tasklist] "Pre-owned" Models

Discussion in 'Models/Animations' started by Thothie, Aug 19, 2017.

  1. Thothie

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    [This was moved from the Developer Section. Keep in mind the status of "fixed" models reflects the current internal alpha build, thus replacements may not be present in the current release.]

    Ye list of models that need replacing...

    Should explain, first off, there's actually no *legal* reason to replace these as of this date. The law may change in the future, but, I have it on good authority that, at the moment, since the original data form doesn't exist within our distribution, this is the equivalent of tracing pictures of Mickey Mouse, or some other similarly copyrighted cartoon character: you can do that all you want, and even distribute said tracings, as long as you don't sell them. Visual artwork copyright likeness laws, thankfully, aren't nearly as cruel as musical ones - even in the US.

    The reason to replace them is two fold: Steam's Green Light's process might not like it (not that they've not let it slip by with some games, or done it themselves), and, perhaps just as importantly, it's just bad form. I'd add aesthetics as well, if not for the fact that our original models come from so many different authors that they lack any consistency as it is. So, unlike the music (which we have fixed), it's basically a combination of a potential private policy conflict, and morals - rather than law.

    Similar to the music list, I am probably missing some. If you find one, please report it. Keep in mind, also, that some of our content is converted from other mods with permission, and is usually credited in the credits_betapack.txt. These mods include: Call of Cthulhu, Wanted, PVK, and Wizard Wars, among others.

    I'm only taking meshes into account. Not bones, animations, or textures (unless they are specific logos - as trademarks are a whole other issue).

    That said... Let the list begin:

    Format
    <path and model> (as rooted from msc/models/)
    - [submodel] (group# x index#, as indexed from 1, ala JHLMV)
    [- desc: <description>]
    - <reason>

    Unlike the music, I am not listing "Fine" models - as there are WAY too effing many. This game uses nearly 1300 models, more than any other Half-Life Goldsrc game, retail or mod, and more than many modern retail games.

    IFFY
    animals/cow.mdl
    - Part of pvk donations, original author and donator can no longer be contacted.

    armor/p_helmets.mdl
    - 1x29, 1x30
    - From Lady E's NWN pack - may involve unoriginal source material

    cal/corpse.mdl
    - reason: uncredited

    misc/blackhandflag.mdl
    - Suspicious logo

    misc/env_shroom*.mdl
    - Possibly from Gunman Chronicles

    misc/glassgibs_huge.mdl
    - Altered from base game materials

    misc/skeleton.mdl
    - From base game materials

    monsters/abominable*.mdl
    - Altered from base game materials

    monsters/abomination.mdl
    - Have artist's permission, but is alteration of a base model from another mod (NS)

    monsters/Beak.mdl
    - Altered from Gunman Chronicles

    monsters/Boar1.mdl
    monsters/Boar2.mdl
    monsters/Boar3.mdl
    - Altered from Lady E's NWN pack - may involve unoriginal source material

    monsters/Bat.mdl
    monsters/Bat_large.mdl
    - Altered from Lady E's NWN pack - may involve unoriginal source material

    monsters/demonwing*.mdl
    - Altered from base game materials

    monsters/dragonfly.mdl
    - from Gunman Chronicles (Dates to 1.0)

    monsters/dragon_green*.mdl
    - Altered from Lady E's NWN pack - may involve unoriginal source material

    monsters/dragon_guard.mdl
    - Altered from Lady E's NWN pack - may involve unoriginal source material
    - (Also using weaponry altered from Morrowind @ 2x4 2x5 2x6 2x7)

    monsters/firereaver*.mdl
    - Altered from base game materials

    monsters/garg*.mdl
    - Altered from base game materials

    monsters/gator.mdl
    - Altered from Gunman Chronicles

    monsters/gbear*.mdl
    - Altered from Lady E's NWN pack - may involve unoriginal source material

    monsters/giant_fire.mdl
    monsters/giant_frost.mdl
    - Altered from Lady E's NWN pack - may involve unoriginal source material

    monsters/goblin_new*.mdl
    - From FATE's free public modeling tutorial

    monsters/guardian*.mdl
    - Altered from Lady E's NWN pack - may involve unoriginal source material

    monsters/hunter1.mdl
    - Altered from Gunman Chronicles

    monsters/ice_guardian*.mdl
    - Altered from Lady E's NWN pack - may involve unoriginal source material

    monsters/k_childre*.mdl
    - Have artist's permission, but is alteration of a base model from another mod (NS)

    monsters/k_larva*.mdl
    - Have artist's permission, but is alteration of a base model from another mod.

    monsters/kayrath.mdl
    - Altered from base game materials

    monsters/killie.mdl
    - Altered from Warcraft - I suspect

    monsters/khaz.mdl
    - Altered from Lady E's NWN pack - may involve unoriginal source material
    - (This model is as of yet unused, though the khaz statues in props are, and have the same issue)

    monsters/leech.mdl
    - Altered from base game materials

    monsters/lumbering.mdl
    - Altered from base game materials

    monsters/maldora.mdl
    - Is OC, but intended to represent copyrighted character from Warhammer 40k
    - Potential replacement available.

    monsters/pit_worm_up.mdl
    - Altered from base game materials (act. Opposing Force)
    - (This model is actually unused - see swamp_eye.mdl)

    monsters/scorp*.mdl
    - Altered from Gunman Chronicles (Dates to 1.0)
    - Potential replacement available.

    monsters/shark1.mdl
    - Uncertain of source

    monsters/skullcrab*.mdl
    - Altered from base game materials

    monsters/snowboar*.mdl
    - Altered from Lady E's NWN pack - may involve unoriginal source material

    monsters/spider_crystal.mdl
    - Altered from Lady E's NWN pack - may involve unoriginal source material

    monsters/Stukabat.mdl
    - Altered from base game materials

    monsters/swamp_eye.mdl
    - Altered from base game materials (act. Opposing Force)

    monsters/Thuldahr.mdl
    - Weapon and armor heavily altered from Morrowind

    monsters/troll_armored.mdl
    - Armor heavily altered from Morrowind

    monsters/tube.mdl
    monsters/tubequeen.mdl
    - Altered from Gunman Chronicles

    monsters/undamael.mdl
    - Altered from base game materials

    monsters/vemomwing.mdl
    - Altered from base game materials

    msc_riverwind/teleporter_green_sprites.mdl
    - Altered from base game materials

    props/charlie_plans.mdl
    - Altered from base game materials (act DOD)

    props/elf_mummy.mdl
    - Altered from Oblivion (heavily)

    props/goblin_hut*.mdl
    - Looks like it *might* be from Warcraft, but unsure. Uncredited. (Dates to 1.0)

    props/khaz_statue_full2b.mdl
    - Altered from Lady E's NWN pack - may involve unoriginal source material

    viewmodels/v_2hblunts.mdl
    - 1x12
    - Altered from Morrowind (heavily)
    - Related world models in weapons/p_weapons*.mdl
    - (Fixed)


    viewmodels/v_2hswords.mdl
    - 1x7
    - While made completely from scratch, it was later discovered that the design concept represents an item from World of Warcraft.
    - (also used by monsters/sorc_big.mdl)
    - Related world models in weapons/p_weapons*.mdl

    viewmodels/v_2hswords.mdl
    - 1x9 1x10 1x12
    - From a free modeling tutorial that gives permission for free use - but need to track and credit the tutor.
    - Related world models in weapons/p_weapons*.mdl


    NOTES:
    • In cases of "Altered from base game materials": please note that Svencoop does this all the time, even to the point of being iconic, and gets away with a Greenlight, as are some other Greenlighted goldsrc mods.
    • Opposing Forces models also appear in the Greenlighted Svencoop.
    • Gunman Chronicles copyright status has not been renewed, and models from said also appear in the Greenlighted Svencoop.


    STRAIGHT OUT

    npc/elf_f_warrior.mdl
    - Altered from Warcraft III
    - (Also carries weapons altered from Morrowind @ 2x2 2x3 2x4 2x6 2x7 3x2 3x3 3x4)
    - (Fixed)

    npc/elf_m_wizard.mdl
    - Altered from Morrowind
    - (Also carries weapons altered from Morrowind @ 2x2 2x3)

    viewmodels/v_1hswords.mdl
    - 1x7 1x8
    - (Also used by monsters/dragon_guard.mdl)
    - Related world models in weapons/p_weapons*.mdl
    - Altered from Morrowind
    - 1x8 is fixed in viewmodels/worldmodels but not in the monsters that use them.

    viewmodels/v_bows.mdl
    - 1x10
    - Altered from Morrowind
    - Related world models in weapons/p_weapons*.mdl
    - (Fixed)

    viewmodels/v_polearms.mdl
    - 1x5 1x14 1x15 1x16
    - Altered from Morrowind
    - Related world models in weapons/p_weapons*.mdl and weapons/projectiles.mdl
    - Fixed in viewmodels/worldmodels but not in the monsters that use them.

    viewmodels/v_shields.mdl
    - 1x5
    - Altered from Morrowind
    - Related world models in weapons/p_weapons*.mdl
    - (Fixed)


    NOTES:
    • Altered from Morrowind: With the exception of the elf, the source materials for the Morrowind models used are not actually produced by Bethesda, but from the makers of the "Morrowind Rebirthed" mod, with permission. They are, however, clearly intended to represent Bethesda's work, and may involve unoriginal source material.
     
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  2. Kanta

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    Maldora should totally be the Zephyrist from Wizard Wars
     
  3. Thothie

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    Lol, well our potential replacement (thank Zeus) certainly fits BBEG even better than the current model, but it is true, he's so good I almost want to save him for the Lor Malgoriand cameo.

    I may simplify/tweak the story a bit so Maldora merely gets "possessed" by Lor Malgoriand and represent the "upgrade" by changing the submodels about, as they are pretty dynamic.
     
  4. Kanta

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    I vote the purple and blue for maldora :v
     
  5. TheOysterHippopotami

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    There's a lot of variants of this guy that I don't think should go to waste. Perhaps some of these could be "Followers of the Lost" or something?
     
  6. Thothie

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    Somehow the two main BBEG's would be a waste, yet some random one sentence entry that later got squished by the Lost's lack of sapience wouldn't be? :/

    I mean, the only other lore related thing I could think to reserve a model that good for would be Khaz's human reincarnation, but that's set to be post the end of this story - intended for MSS. And given that's so in the future I expect to have a flying car and a copy of Half-Life 3 by then, I suspect it'd be a waste in a whole other way.
     
  7. greatguys1

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    Yes
    This list isn't nearly as long as I anticipated ;P
     
  8. MS:C community

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    That's because it's incomplete.
     
  9. Thothie

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    If something is missing, please point it out.

    SFAIK, in the current patch, there are only 12 models of ~1300 that are "straight out", 10 of which are fixed in the alpha (not counting the weapons still in the monster's hands).
     
  10. MS:C community

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    My apologies, I didn't read the original post properly. I skipped the greyed out parts near the bottom because I thought they were no longer relevant. Turns out these are (most) of the stuff I noticed, such as Torkalath Elves wielding Scourge or the friendly Elves carrying Eleidon's Ward.
     
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  11. Thothie

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    Yeah - both those and the elf warriors that carry them are gone in the alpha - new elves came with their own weapon sets (though also tacked on some OC). Elf wizard and the violations he's carrying still needs replacing, but, as I've said elsewhere, materials yes, modeler no.

    Phlames also still has his bad staff - but like I said, kinda skimming over weapons carried by mobs for a bit. They aren't as "in your face" and it'll take quite some time to fix, and we've no one dedicated to modeling at the moment.
     
  12. Dark Fox

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    Isn't he using the staff I donated? :confused:
     
  13. Thothie

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    You are, he isn't, yet... It is a royal pain to align those things, and I've got higher priorities in game at the moment.

    Unless someone else can do it, of course.
     
  14. Dark Fox

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    In my game he's using the new one for some weird f'ing reason.

    [​IMG] xSabXmg.png
     
  15. Kanta

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    I mean, just moving something is pretty easy but I do not know how to compile a model. I tried to actually correct the dark and phlame staff player models myself once.
     
  16. Thothie

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    Wait a sec...

    Well crap, you're right, I already did fix that... :oops:

    Okay then, so it's just the Dragon Guards still using some offending weapons. (Checks) Yup, not fixed that yet. Actually not sure what I'm gonna replace that mega-hammer with, but I'm sure there's something here.

    If you can get me a proper reference SMD, preferably with a copy of the new textures required, I can compile and see if it works out. It's just a pain for me. Seems monsters/dragon_guard.mdl is the last model that needs such a fix that isn't due to be replaced entirely. (Though he himself is in the "iffy" category.)
     
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  18. zeus9860

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    I would rather have this replace all the lizard/dragon folk. Or if you fancy diversity, you have this, this and this.

    I could help with some extra donations if necessary, but yeah, i fear that Thothie probably has a backlog of donations to go through that adding another pile to the currently existing pile might be overkill and stressing. I would panic if i had plenty of stuff to mess around with, even more so if the pile just got bigger.

    Last case scenario, i guess someone could try reskinning a currently existing enemy and try to make it look like they are lizard'ish. I believe there is an orc "poisoner" that uses a texture that could benefit this cause. Probably not the prettiest option but, it could work.
     
  19. Kanta

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    This is very true. I'd much rather see new features or content and bug fixes before models to replace stolen content. I'm not really very uptight about it, as I've never played most of the games where the models are borrowed from. No pressure on trying to replace everything all at once!
     
  20. Thothie

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    Meh, problem is it takes me days to weeks to convert some of these models - I mean it's easy enough for weapons, but monsters with animations and such, not only do I have to convert the model, I usually have to re-write the entire script.

    It took me over six months to replace those Elf Warriors.

    We've no dedicated modeler at the moment, or that'd go a lot faster.
     
  21. MS:C community

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    I knew I missed something; It's been a long, loooong time since I last played Eclipse but MS:C's "Swamp Keeper" is directly stolen from that mod. The model (...\msc\models\monsters\keeper.mdl), the sounds, even the name (watch from 07:20 to 07:40 at the very least).
     
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  22. Thothie

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    Given, with permission. We actually have access to the source for all their models, but that's just about only one that's been real useful, and wasn't taken from elsewhere in turn.

    The snow cavern bridge on the_wall2 would be another from Eclipse.

    Shame how that mod died - not checked if they've managed to resurrect it.
     

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