To Rideon. I told you so.

Antimatter · Jul 15, 2011

Rideon you n00b. Believe me now?

Monika's_BFFEx0255 · Jul 15, 2011

cool sideways picture bro :3

WaRTF · Jul 15, 2011

Couldn't you just PMed him with this? or atleast posted this in the guild subforum(You DO have one, right?), instead of here?
I mean, I don't see any point in this thread if it's only to prove something that isn't even unusual to a single person.
(Btw next time, press a button named "Prt Sc" or "Print screen" on your keyboard, open Paint and press CTRL+V then save the picture, instead of using your camera)

zeus9860 · Jul 15, 2011

Haha, next time take a picture of your info upside down, just to make things fun.

Fegged · Jul 15, 2011

Ya, i do believe it <.<
*hardly*

I mean i got 39 Strength with 558 HP and you got 39 Strength with 509 or something <.<

Thothie · Jul 15, 2011

also:

Code:

		case NATURAL_STR:
			return (GetSkillStat(SKILL_SWORDSMANSHIP) * 1.5 +
					GetSkillStat(SKILL_MARTIALARTS) +
				    GetSkillStat(SKILL_AXEHANDLING) * 2.0 +
					GetSkillStat(SKILL_BLUNTARMS) * 1.9 +
					(GetSkillStat(SKILL_POLEARMS) * 0.6f) +
					(GetSkillStat(SKILL_SMALLARMS) * 0.8) +
					(GetSkillStat(SKILL_ARCHERY) * 0.5)) / 4;
		case NATURAL_DEX: //How fast u can move
			return (GetSkillStat(SKILL_SWORDSMANSHIP) * 0.6 +
					GetSkillStat(SKILL_MARTIALARTS) +
				    GetSkillStat(SKILL_AXEHANDLING) * 0.6 +
					GetSkillStat(SKILL_BLUNTARMS) * 0.6 +
					(GetSkillStat(SKILL_SMALLARMS) * 1.5) +
					(GetSkillStat(SKILL_POLEARMS) * 2.0f) +
					(GetSkillStat(SKILL_ARCHERY) * 1.5)) / 6;	
		case NATURAL_CON:
			return (GetSkillStat(SKILL_ARCHERY) * 1.5 +
					/*GetSkillStat(SKILL_PARRY) + */
					(GetSkillStat(SKILL_POLEARMS) * 1.0f) +
					GetSkillStat(SKILL_SPELLCASTING) * 2.0 ) / 2;	
		case NATURAL_AWR:
			//Archery & [strike]parry[/strike] MA count the most for awareness
			return (GetSkillStat(SKILL_SWORDSMANSHIP) * 0.5f +
					(GetSkillStat(SKILL_MARTIALARTS) * 2.0f) +
				    GetSkillStat(SKILL_AXEHANDLING) * 0.5f +
					GetSkillStat(SKILL_BLUNTARMS) * 0.5f +
					(GetSkillStat(SKILL_SMALLARMS) * 1.5f) +
					(GetSkillStat(SKILL_ARCHERY) * 2.0f) +
					(GetSkillStat(SKILL_POLEARMS) * 2.0f)
				    /*(GetSkillStat(SKILL_PARRY) * 2.0f)*/) / 7;
		case NATURAL_FIT:
			//Archery & smallarms barely count for fitness
			return (GetSkillStat(SKILL_SWORDSMANSHIP) +
					GetSkillStat(SKILL_MARTIALARTS) +
				    (GetSkillStat(SKILL_AXEHANDLING) * 1.5) +
					(GetSkillStat(SKILL_BLUNTARMS) * 1.5) +
				    /*GetSkillStat(SKILL_PARRY) + */
					(GetSkillStat(SKILL_SMALLARMS) * 0.7) +
					(GetSkillStat(SKILL_POLEARMS) * 0.7f) +
					(GetSkillStat(SKILL_ARCHERY) * 0.6)) / 5;
		case NATURAL_WIS:
			return (1 + /*GetSkillStat(SKILL_PARRY) /2 +*/
					GetSkillStat(SKILL_SPELLCASTING) *1.75);	 //Thothie - how about SC counts for wisdom more than parry?

MSC: Most convoluted stat system, evah.

Monika's_BFFEx0255 · Jul 15, 2011

That's difficult to read on a phone to add more to not comprehending it

Thothie · Jul 15, 2011

Trust me, it wont be any easier on your desktop.

Monika's_BFFEx0255 · Jul 15, 2011

F*ckin stat systems, how do they work?
Pure motherf*cking Thothie.

Fegged · Jul 15, 2011

I'd like to know it too

Thothie · Jul 16, 2011

Don't look at me, I just work here.

Given time, I'm sure we could break that code down into something comprehensible, but it'd still be convoluted as hell.

Monika's_BFFEx0255 · Jul 16, 2011

And all that work just to delay another patch

Don't get me wrong, I am content with this and only one thing that slightly bothers me is no first charge for axes

Tigerkev · Jul 16, 2011

What Toth wants to say here is:

If you level up something it can raise a stat, if this stat is enough to get HP up.. well you get HP else you wont thats how simple it is. He may have leveled something which doesnt count as much to HP but more to the other stats.

Thothie · Jul 16, 2011

Maybe... I can't quite translate what you just said there, at least not without more JÃ¤germeister.

I assume the confusion came about when two players with the same Strength had different HP. What I was trying to demonstrate, is that this is possible, because HP is affected by other factors, and not just raw Strength - in some strange convoluted way.

Q: That max HP is determined in some strange convoluted way, or that you tried to demonstrate it, in some strange convoluted way?
A: Both.

Also, interesting fact in relation to the sideways code snippet: JPG compression causes an image taller than it is wide to create a larger file than the exact same image, rotated to be wider than it is tall. :\ Strangeness...

Tigerkev · Jul 16, 2011

Sorry, i didn't took my drugs yet, but it's more or less what i wanted to say what you wanted to say which makes even less.. nvm i shut up.

Keldorn · Jul 16, 2011

Thothie said:
Code

Strength (Each strength point grants 7 hit points, maximum carry weight, and some armors require X strength to wear):
You get the following amount of strength points for each level in the specified weapon skill:
Sword: 3/8
MA: 1/4
Axe: 1/2
Blunt: 19/40
PA: 3/20
SA: 2/10
Archery: 1/8

Dexterity (Apparently affects your movement speed):
You get the following amount of dexterity points for each level in the specified weapon skill:
Sword: 1/10
MA: 1/10
Axe: 1/10
Blunt: 1/10
SA: 1/4
PA: 1/3
Archery: 1/4

Concentration (Dunno what this does)
You get the following amount of Concentration points for each level in the specified skill:
Archery: 3/4
PA: 1/2
SC: 1

Awareness (Affects parry)
You get the following amount of awareness points for each level in the specified weapon skill:
Sword: 1/14
MA: 2/7
Axe: 1/14
Blunt: 1/14
SA: 3/14
Archery: 2/7
PA: 2/7

Fitness (7 HP per point, affects stamina)
You get the following amount of fitness points for each level in the specified weapon skill:
Sword: 1/5
MA: 1/5
Axe: 3/10
Blunt: 3/10
SA: 7/50
PA: 7/50
Archery: 3/25

Wisdom (3 HP per point, 10 MP per point)
SC: 1.75 points per level(not sublevel)

TL

R

Strength = 7 HP per point
Fitness = 7 HP per point
Wisdom = 3 HP per point

Rideon = TOLD (But nobody cares)

jon50559 · Jul 16, 2011

Somebody yell at me to map.

Thothie · Jul 16, 2011

MAP!!!

PS. Concentration affects spell duration (used to also affect chance to fail).
PPS. Still convoluted as hell.

Age · Jul 16, 2011

Antimatter · Jul 16, 2011

I was proving a point. Because i was basicly being called a liar, I posted this to a number of people (mainly Rideon) so i didn't want to be made out to be a liar. And i'll be carful where i post in future!

And my print screen button was broken off

Fegged · Jul 16, 2011

yaya <.< im still better >

Monika's_BFFEx0255 · Jul 16, 2011

Master Sword: Convoluted now with more convolusions!!1!1

SilentDeath · Jul 21, 2011

Antimatter said:
I was proving a point. Because i was basicly being called a liar, I posted this to a number of people (mainly Rideon) so i didn't want to be made out to be a liar. And i'll be carful where i post in future!

And my print screen button was broken off

Steam does have this handy screenshot button now (default F12)

MS:C community · Apr 17, 2015

I have a question about this, specifically the FIT part:

Thothie said:

Code:

		case NATURAL_STR:
			return (GetSkillStat(SKILL_SWORDSMANSHIP) * 1.5 +
					GetSkillStat(SKILL_MARTIALARTS) +
				    GetSkillStat(SKILL_AXEHANDLING) * 2.0 +
					GetSkillStat(SKILL_BLUNTARMS) * 1.9 +
					(GetSkillStat(SKILL_POLEARMS) * 0.6f) +
					(GetSkillStat(SKILL_SMALLARMS) * 0.8) +
					(GetSkillStat(SKILL_ARCHERY) * 0.5)) / 4;
		case NATURAL_DEX: //How fast u can move
			return (GetSkillStat(SKILL_SWORDSMANSHIP) * 0.6 +
					GetSkillStat(SKILL_MARTIALARTS) +
				    GetSkillStat(SKILL_AXEHANDLING) * 0.6 +
					GetSkillStat(SKILL_BLUNTARMS) * 0.6 +
					(GetSkillStat(SKILL_SMALLARMS) * 1.5) +
					(GetSkillStat(SKILL_POLEARMS) * 2.0f) +
					(GetSkillStat(SKILL_ARCHERY) * 1.5)) / 6;	
		case NATURAL_CON:
			return (GetSkillStat(SKILL_ARCHERY) * 1.5 +
					/*GetSkillStat(SKILL_PARRY) + */
					(GetSkillStat(SKILL_POLEARMS) * 1.0f) +
					GetSkillStat(SKILL_SPELLCASTING) * 2.0 ) / 2;	
		case NATURAL_AWR:
			//Archery & [strike]parry[/strike] MA count the most for awareness
			return (GetSkillStat(SKILL_SWORDSMANSHIP) * 0.5f +
					(GetSkillStat(SKILL_MARTIALARTS) * 2.0f) +
				    GetSkillStat(SKILL_AXEHANDLING) * 0.5f +
					GetSkillStat(SKILL_BLUNTARMS) * 0.5f +
					(GetSkillStat(SKILL_SMALLARMS) * 1.5f) +
					(GetSkillStat(SKILL_ARCHERY) * 2.0f) +
					(GetSkillStat(SKILL_POLEARMS) * 2.0f)
				    /*(GetSkillStat(SKILL_PARRY) * 2.0f)*/) / 7;
		case NATURAL_FIT:
			//Archery & smallarms barely count for fitness
			return (GetSkillStat(SKILL_SWORDSMANSHIP) +
					GetSkillStat(SKILL_MARTIALARTS) +
				    (GetSkillStat(SKILL_AXEHANDLING) * 1.5) +
					(GetSkillStat(SKILL_BLUNTARMS) * 1.5) +
				    /*GetSkillStat(SKILL_PARRY) + */
					(GetSkillStat(SKILL_SMALLARMS) * 0.7) +
					(GetSkillStat(SKILL_POLEARMS) * 0.7f) +
					(GetSkillStat(SKILL_ARCHERY) * 0.6)) / 5;
		case NATURAL_WIS:
			return (1 + /*GetSkillStat(SKILL_PARRY) /2 +*/
					GetSkillStat(SKILL_SPELLCASTING) *1.75);	 //Thothie - how about SC counts for wisdom more than parry?

What does GetSkillStat(SKILL_POLEARMS) * 0.7f mean? Does the 'f' stand for 'floor'? As in floor(3.7) = 3 for example? Because when you disregard the 'f', and if swords, MA, SA, axe, blunt, PA and archery are all 45, you end up with FIT 63 according to that formula but FIT 62 in-game. Just curious.

Edit: It's probably round(x), isn't it?

Edit 2: Nope, that's not it either... Is it related to floating point numbers or something?

Thothie · Apr 17, 2015

It means to treat it as a literal float. (Although the compiler's probably turning into a double either way, but meh.)

http://www.cplusplus.com/doc/tutorial/constants/

also:
http://www.xkcd.com/1513/
(So no, I've no idea why it's that way.)

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