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Crescent blades and model replacement

Discussion in 'Suggestions' started by Sir_Mazzma, Aug 9, 2017.

  1. Sir_Mazzma

    Sir_Mazzma New Member

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    I've always wanted to do a little donation for MS:C, and from what I've read and heard there are many, many donated models waiting to be used already. A good few of the models are going to be replaced with new ones in the next patch, at least the elves and phlame staff I know for sure which is great news. Less content taken from other games is great.

    I personally really like the crescent blades, despite how much everyone dislikes them and deems them awful weapons. (Usually the reason just being because they aren't vorpal tongues. So much incoming hate, I can feel it already!) I will admit they could be a bit stronger, specifically buff the impact of the throwing damage and how fast the projectiles travel, but I still really like them. But the model IS taken from Morrowind (Right?) and that's a bit of a shame. I was looking up models and I came across this model which I think fits the description of "crescent" pretty well. Plus it's real cheap too! Here it is;

    centaurian_arc_blade_by_viper9x.jpg

    If you don't already have a pending replacement for the weapon I think this could make a nice replacement for it, possibly after removing the handles and shrinking it down to be a bit more small arm appropriate! Plus the blade comes in gold, maybe the colors could be changed for each element of crescent, similar to tomahawks, with a silver blade being the standard one?

    Here it is on turbosquid: https://www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/centaurian-arc-blade-weapon-3d-model/534433

    I'd love to hear what people think!
     
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    greatguys1 Developers

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    Poly count so high I can already feel my game crashing... It looks great, but with crescent blades being small arms, and this being a 5 foot tall, two handed blade, without some changes to the model I don't think it'd fit in well.
    The picture there doesn't really show the scale, here's one from the page:
    preview_04.png7a123bd8-9af8-48c7-a29d-8983c47c3d4fLarger.jpg
     
  3. Lucifer Majiskus

    Lucifer Majiskus Sons of Babel

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    Thing is blunt and serrated for sawing, using the weight. It'd look a bit silly if it was shrunk
     
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    zeus9860 The True Followers of the Lost

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    I hate to be that one person to bring you the bad news but

    Crescent blades do suck. Just like phlames staff and ice staff. In order for them to become usefull you need potions. If you need potions to make gear worthwhile using, you will know there is something wrong with the items in question But hey, they are somewhat fun to use (the staves) i guess and will most likely end up being the new tomahawks (the crescents) in the future, since they have no purpose in this game honestly than well, being crappy collectibles.
     
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    Thothie Administrator Staff Member

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    newcrec.png
    Maybe?

    It's clearly intended to be the same item, but at least it's an OC model. Dunno if we can tweak it up a bit to set it apart some more.
     
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    Lucifer Majiskus Sons of Babel

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    Looks the same to me. Absolutely 0 excuse to use stolen models.. especially when you deliberately steal the weapon by its same name from Morrowind.

    600px-MW-item-Daedric_Crescent.jpg

    Modifying/removing textures does not an original model make
     
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    I'm still waiting for a Klingon bat'leth. I want to kill some bloody c̶a̶r̶d̶i̶s orcs.
     
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    Wow lol did you just take the skin of the blade and apply it to the handle and the triangle-shaped things above and below the handle?
     
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    Taken from v_1hswords.mdl.

    It's just a sinking feeling, but the crescent and blood blade textures have "tx_w_" in their name which makes them look like they are ripped straight from another games asset without rename. Also the blood blade texture is called "tx_w_daedric_bladebase". It's pretty clear both models are ripped right out of Morrowind.
     
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    Sir_Mazzma New Member

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    Well, except the crescent blades have been a bit warped...
    1IRjn0O.png
     
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    tx_w_chrysamere_00.bmp
    http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Chrysamere
     
  12. Lucifer Majiskus

    Lucifer Majiskus Sons of Babel

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    B U S T E D
     
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    I... Wasn't saying I didn't realize the model was taken. It's from a modified Morrowind pack, as we've said in the model [req] thread, one of the ones we want to replace.

    The new one I just put up was from yet another pack. That model is OC, entirely different vertex count and different texture usage - though the names have to match up with the .esm, or it fubars.

    I do have a *really* crappy option around here, if original models designed to replace Morrowind models won't cut it... (Eh, I think I do... Need to hunt it down, apparently. 250 Poly red-black crescent thing as I recall.)

    Or I could just use the font-to-model function and make a big "C".
     
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    Lucifer Majiskus Sons of Babel

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    Anything besides stolen content



    or plagiarism
     
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    I'd like to see this 250 poly crescent pls.

    But seriously, I know there are new models coming now but I would rather have all the elves be Findlebind instead of warcraft elves.
     
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    I'll put it up when I find the darn thing, but I'd almost rather use the text-to-model tool.

    This guy's thingie looks nice:
    https://sketchfab.com/models/9ba314500cf04dfa8300c8972c5ec9ce
    Nevermind...

    Granted, if an original model inspired by another is not allowed, I suppose we have to replace the Blood Drinker as well now? I mean, Gaz made that from scratch based on a notebook sketch from Crow, but if it's pure originality you guys want... Good luck to ya'll.
     
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    I would say personally that model looks quite different from the LoL weapon. Crow's sketch in a notebook isn't copyrighted content.
     
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    Pricey for such a crap model, but better than anything I have. We do have whole new weapon sets that do look rather nice that we maybe able to slice & dice into something better.
     
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    Also, I'm moving the related copyrighted model REQ/Task list from the developer section to public, so we don't have another round of players getting hostile about us "clandestinely stealing" models - we're entirely open about the fact that a some of our models are, at best, "borrowed", as was the previous team.

    I suppose the list looks lengthy, but keep in mind the game uses ~1,300 models.
     
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    zeus9860 The True Followers of the Lost

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    If you want to keep the concept of the item, could always use the 3rd one from this. Or one of the last 3 on this image. The 4th one from the 2nd image kinda suits the name, but i would recommend reworking the items as i bet these would look fugly when thrown. Unless they looked like the khaz fire daggers.

    If it was up to me, i would replace the item entirelly, it does look nice but if there is nothing that properly looks like the current model in use, then might aswell just change the item into something else. If that is possible of course.
     
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    Nah, we can keep the concept. Not willing to accept that the entire idea of a crescent blade is copyrighted, or at least if it is, I suspect the copyright has expired since ~200AD when the Chinese were messing with the idea. (Not to mention Deerhorn Knives, Mandarin Duck Blades, Crescent Moon Knives, yadda yadda.)

    At the same time, we can't really take Xena's Chakra blade either, and I know there's plenty models of that out there.

    Was thinking more along the lines of slicing one of the fancier bows in half and tapering it off, or some such.
     
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    Lucifer Majiskus Sons of Babel

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    Chakrams are cool, yo

    just fucking give us a ricochet disc
     
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    zeus9860 The True Followers of the Lost

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    Messing around with a bow model to make a weapon out of it, doesn't sound bad honestly ( i even looked at some bows and thought they would look nice replacements for the crescent blade if they could be messed around with a little). Better be safe than sorry down the line with the non original content within the mod. There is always the chance of something going wrong with this kind of stuff.
     
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    We have so many weapons from turbosquid now we should be able to replace absolutely everything that's stolen I'd think.
     

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